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  Is becoming an XJW like growing up?

  by ballistic in

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  did your process of leaving the organisation and learning new stuff feel like growing up to you?

  looking back at your time in the so called "truth", do you think you were misled or even "naive"?

  even "innocent"?

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  my experiences were much the way Makeveli decribes. ON the button, Makelveli....

  When I left at 21, I had to relearn everything. 2 years of "deprograming" with a shrink and many supportive non JW friends were very helpful.

  When I explained to my non JW friends, that the people I grew up with did not want to be my friends anymore and why---the non JW response was " Frank we don't care what religion you are , we want to be your friend". Hence, my first big step away and opening my mind to "the real world" came from the love and generosity of NON JEHOVAHS WITNESS teachings.Yes, I did grow up at 21 and still continue to grow with new experiences.. That is what is so great about life, we never really know it all. Of course, we all know now that the JWs do " know it all. " LOL

  I do believe that tolerance and open mindedness has served me well in life.

  Frank
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  Apostate Daily (ha!) Text, 10/12/03

  by GentlyFeral in

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  ...we have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.

  we now have the means to duplicate any kind of information that can be compactly represented in digital media.

  we can replicate it worldwide, to billions of people, for very low costs, affordable by individuals.

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  interesting post

  ....and may I add the old saying "neccessity is the mother of invention"

  frank
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  Men vs. Women... again.

  by Vita Nuova in

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  actually, the title of the thread is misleading, but i'm assuming it will draw the same posters who commented on a similar thread previously posted this month.

  in that thread, which belonged to minimus, i posed the provocative question, the essence of which was whether women could ever achieve in any major field of the arts and sciences the precedents set by the greatest of men.

  by the responses, it seemed a lot of women thought i came off as a chauvinist.

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  Interesting thesis for an argument.....

  It has always been my opinion that my wife is smarter than me.

  frank
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  Reunions can turn out well.... WELCOME LUNA:

  by Odrade in

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  my friend luna!.

  we lost touch for almost 10 years, but i hunted her down!

  odrade

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  Welcome Luna

  frank
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  Borg monitoring of this board

  by core in

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  are the borg still monitoring this board (and others)?

  if so they seem to be allowing a large amount of time before taking any retributive action.

  has anyone heard of any follow thru from the borg from being identified here recently?

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  It has been 20 years for me....I honestly dont care what they think of me any more that I care what the muslim extremists think. Or the catholic church , or the jewish contingent.

  The fact is, if you are still part of the "organization" you will be paranoid. It is only human nature. As was discreetly pointed out to me earlier, not everyone on this board wants to be "outside" just yet , for what ever reason. Whoever you are, I hope you deal well with it . To each his own time. My support is with you.

  As for the Glorious Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, what can they really do ---"disfellowship us"?

  BIG DEAL!

  I had been an Pioneer and ministerial servant and at age 21 decided that I wanted to go to school to study architecture. The local elders made such a big event out of this , and gave my father (also an elder) such a hard time about it ..Fortunatley, my father was very PRO about education ( smart man). During college I had "fallen away" ( I ran like HELL when I really felt I was beyond their influence). The Elders attempted to disfellowship me, reasoning that I was no longer a good influence on the other young peple in the congregation ( others had also decided to go to college). Although I had dated many of the sisters ( respectfully of course) I was smart enough to know that I was not ready to commit to marriage. I spent one of my school years studying abroad in Rome, Italy and when I returned home, the elders were waiting and made a friendly call to my parents house.

  I was dragged into Elder meeting after elder meeting and accused of "fornicating, drug abuse, etc, etc" Of course, none of it was true. It became obvious that they were not going to let me exit that religion gracefully or just fade away, they were attempting to make an expample of me , and according to my Elder father, were "railroading" me to disfellowshipment.

  I finally consulted an attorney and began proceedings to sue the 6 elders who were harassing me. When they realized that they were in possible danger of losing the houses that they lived in in a court settlement, they were intructed by WTBTS to leave me alone. And they did.

  I have not heard from any of them since ( going on 20 years) . My entire family is now out. I may be disfellowshipped, who knows, and at this stage for me, it really DOES NOT MATTER..

  It is a secure feeling to be free

  regards,

  Frank
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  Finally sharing my story!

  by morty in

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  for those who have not met me my name is michelle.

  (aka.mortons68)thank-you walter for the post earlyer last week for welcoming me.i have been wanting to do a post to introduce myself,but have not had the guts to tell my story.for one,i am very new to the computer , two, i was not sure about opening my life to complete strangers,and three ,my spelling and grammer is not that great at all.

  vicki,thanks for leading me to this site.

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  Welcome to the forum Michelle!

  I too was raised in the JW faith and since having left it have found true fulfillment. Your letter is a wonderful testament to what a good friend you are. Jehovahs Witnesses do not hold a monopoly on human compassion, love and support. I was happy for you to have found your way.

  regards,

  Frank
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  Baptized at 5.

  by Lainey in

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  got this "experience" in an email.

  it was sent by a sister i used to know quite well, i think she sent it to encourage me, but it has had the opposite effect.. "____________________.

  baptized at age 5. the mother and father of a little girl had a bible study with xxx.

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  All I can say is; what a poor little thing to be so regimented at such an early age.

  Such a brilliant little mind will eventually grow and reason for itself; ultimately, she will see the teachings for what they really are ( like we all did). Hopefully such brilliance will carry her onto better experiences in life.

  Shame on her parents ( JW or not) for robbing their precious little charge of her childhood!

  Frank
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  High School Days

  by Dimples in

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  high school is supposed to be one of the most memorable years of your life.

  i had fun in my high school days, as i didn't become a jw until after i was married and had a child.

  those of you who were born into the borg, your high school days must have been boring.

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  Dimples

  Since I was raised in the JW, by the time I reached high school, my "theocratic" life was in full swing. Leaving school a little early to go out in service was alway my idea of fun ( boring kid) . There was a social life with other young people in the congregation and I thought I was having fun. Not really, it was a very BORING existence. When I accounced to my Elder Dad that I was quiting school to pioneer, ( because armegedon was coming in 1975 ) he very wisely said NO, and made me graduate. Dad was one of the smarter elders. I missed out on all the typical High school fun things you mentioned, mainly, because I was so insulated from the students at the school. And they were wordly and good little JWs stay away from the world.

  After graduatiing high school I did become a pioneer ( more boring stories) and a ministerial servant and was being groomed to be an elder ( bigger boring stuff). I left the JWs at 21 to enter college and never looked back or regretted. College was more fun . And I made up for all the lost time.....( use your imagination on that one!)

  regards,

  Frank
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  For a change, happy JW memories anyone?

  by ScoobySnax in

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  ....save the "the day i got out" posts, surely some here can dreg up some happy times of when they were witnesses, it can't all be negative.

  for me, i can remember some great people, some do's some co's some elders, some pioneers some just plain ol' publishers like me.

  come on everyone.......dig deep now.....

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  scooby,

  so you offered her a ride home from the carpark....and did you get lucky that nite?

  let me guess the answer to that one....

  billy Joel sang about "catholic girls start much too late" but who ever wrote about JW girls?

  Frank
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  For a change, happy JW memories anyone?

  by ScoobySnax in

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  ....save the "the day i got out" posts, surely some here can dreg up some happy times of when they were witnesses, it can't all be negative.

  for me, i can remember some great people, some do's some co's some elders, some pioneers some just plain ol' publishers like me.

  come on everyone.......dig deep now.....

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  franklin J

  talk about one word changing a meaning...

  previous post I meant to type in "ZEALOUS", not "jealous"

  My parents raised me as a JW, but they were not jealous.LOL

  frank